Points....Firstly some terminology and basic types ..
Live or Dead?
There are basically two types of model railway points. Live Frog often called Electrofrog (a Peco name) and all insulated frog this type often
called Insulfrog (also a Peco name) or Dead frog.
Below are four basic examples of how an Insulated Frog (Insulfrog) and Live Frog (Electrofrog) point switch the track power dependantupon the
point blades position.
Insulated frog points, sometimes they are called 'Dead frog or 'Insulfrog'', have as their main advantage the fact that they need no
additional work other than fitting them into their correct place on the layout (excluding any form of motorised point operation). All current
Hornby, Peco Setrack and Peco Streamline with the prefix 'SL' are all of this type. Their frog area (Frog = the crossing or part of the point
where the two closure rails meet and then crossover each other - one directions rail crosses the path of the other directions rail) is made of all
plastic, so this small part of the points track is electrically dead all the time. Electrical track power is switched by the position of the switch
rail touching against the fixed stock rail, track power to the selected direction or route is then fed via the switch rail onto the closure rail then
in fine factory fitted wires underneath the plastic frog where finally they connect to the appropriate Vee rail after the frog. Two such wires are
factory fitted underneath the frog, one for each direction. Track power is automatically cut off to the unselected direction, it is of course
restored when the point is moved over and set for that direction, then the former route or direction is cut off track power wise. This is shown
in drawing 1, "Insulated Point Switching" above. Therefore using insulated frog points is the easiest of all. Their only down side is that they
can at times cause poor running especially when a 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 wheeled loco is travelling slowly across these points and the loco will hesitate
or even stall completely due to the loss of rail to wheel connection on the insulated plastic frog.
Electrofrog or live frog points such as the Peco Streamline range prefixed 'SL-E', those manufactured by Tillig, Marcway and many other track
manufactures require a little more careful installation, as they will have to have a gap or Insulated Rail Joiners (IRJs) some know these as
Insulated Fishplates, fitted after their frog and normally fitted onto the ends of the two Vee rails leading away from the frog. The reason is, as
these points move over and back they swap electrical rail polarity on the frog and the two Vee rails if there is no means of stopping the power
flowing out of the frog there is a risk of a short circuit occurring as a positive feed meets a negative.
Other than fitting the IRJs onto the frog Vee rails, nothing else needs to be done to allow the live frog point to work. That said, a large amount of
live frog point users will opt for some means of electrically switching the frogs polarity and not rely just on the switch rail touching the stock rail
for a connection. This is where the polarity of the frog and its two Vee rails up to the IRJs is controlled by a change-over (SPDT) switch, which is
often a switch mounted onto the actual point motor. This then removes the sole reliance on the contact between the points moving switch rail and
the fixed stock rail thereby improving electrical power feeding through the point. The wiring is shown in more detail in the Live Frog Switch
Wiring section further down the page. However a viewing of the Video below may well help understanding how on a Live frog point the frog
polarity is swapped over and the need for the two IRJs after the frog.
Below is a simple little video showing how an Electrofrog (Live frog) point switches the track power between the two routes(Note: This does not occur with insulated frog points). Note that if the two sets of Insulated Rail Joiners after the frog where not used a short circuit would occur every time the points switch blade moves over and swaps the frogs polarity between positive and negative. i.e. The two rails leading away from the frog swap polarity (positive or negative) with each direction.
Shown below is a very simple track layout plan using Live Frog (Electrofrog) points. In the first drawing the points are all set for straight
running or are in the 'Normal' position and three positive and return track feeds are needed. Note the Insulated rail joiners (IRJs) fitted after
the frog Vee rails.
In the second lower drawing the points have all been moved to their 'Reverse' positions and now by comparing the two drawings it can be seen
how the live frog causes the points rails after the frog to swap polarity.
In the third and right hand drawing, point number 3 has remained Normal while points 1 & 2 have moved Reverse.
If the IRJs where not fitted after the frogs a short circuit would occur where the blue arrows are shown and a red rail meets a black rail.
Point Motor Wiring. Many layouts will use electric point motors, in my case I use Peco and Seep ones, but there are many other
makes of solenoid motors available. They all work on the same simple principle. Apply a short burst of electrical power to a coil and an
electromagnetic field is created. Place the coil around a tubular former and put a piece of iron (Iron core) inside the formers tube. Now when
coil 1 is momentarily energised the Iron core is pulled across into that coils tube by the electromagnetic field created. Then apply momentary
power to coil 2 - the opposite coil, the iron core moves across into that coils tube. Now fit a drive pin centrally on the iron core and connect
the pin to the points moving tie bar and you have a means of electrically moving the point over and back.
Points (Turnouts) - Part 1
As previously but now using the Peco PL26 Passing Contact Lever etc.
Below is the basic wiring configuration for both the Hornby R8243, the Peco PL11 and Gaugemaster PM20 surface mounting motors. Note that manufacturers use different coloured wires for their two operation and the return connections.
Inside the Hornby R044 Black passing contact point lever switch....
With the Hornby R044, power is taken into the lever switch via the central lower connection which also acts as the pivot for the lever, then
as the lever is moved from its rest Off position it immediately makes connection On-1 with the first contact strip and sends power to the
point motor coil, but this coil on the point motor is already in the point closed position, hence a little "Buzz" is often heard from the motor as
the lever starts to move. Then as the lever is in its middle travel it is in the Off position. Next the lever makes connection to the opposite
contact On-2 and provides an electrical path to the point motors other coil, powering the solenoid motor and moving point over. Finally the
lever comes to rest and breaks the connection and is in the Off position at rest. So from one side to the other the point switch contacts are
from Off - (On-1) - (Off) - (On-2) - Off. Note bracketed items cannot remain in that position. They are called 'Momentary' or 'Passing'
The above 'double connection' produced by the R044 point lever is a problem where a CDU is to be used. As the CDU has to discharge into
the first connection and motors coil (On-1) and then the CDU doesn't have time to fully recharge before the second and required contact
(On-2) is reached.
In this case, it is advisable to hold the R044 lever in the central area of its travel for a second or two to allow the CDU to fully recharge
before finally allowing the lever to be moved fully across the rest of its travel. Thereby allowing a the now recharged CDU to discharge via
the passing contact (On-2) and energising the correct motors coil and moving the point over, before the lever finally comes to rest in the Off
The above 'double connection' arrangement does not occur with the Peco PL26 point lever switch, as this uses a totally different switching
method and it only provides one momentary pulse of power to the correct motors coil during the levers full travel.
A similar switching this time using SEEP PM motors.
Below shows a CDU (optional) feeding a bank of point toggle switches and then feeding out to the appropriate solenoid motors. Note: Wiring colours shown for wires may differ by each point motor manufacturer.
Typical Solenoid Point Motor Wiring using Stud and ProbeNote:
Wiring colours shown for wires may differ by each point motor manufacturer.
The drawing immediately above shows a very simple Stud & Probe switching method. While the upper drawing shows dedicated point switches
(Centre Off Sprung to centre) toggle switches being used, but this could equally be replaced by a pair of push-to-make non locking push
buttons. Note that the two drawings offer the choice of 16 or 24 volt ac supply (24v is my preferred voltage) but a 16 to 24 volt dc supply can
equally as well be used. A CDU is shown in both, which I recommend. If the CDU is omitted then the wires from the PSU continue directly to
the probe or switch and to the motors return connection.
Below is shown how the Stud & Probe are fitted into the mimic panel facia and wires from each stud underneath the panel run off to the
appropriate point motors coil. Note the recommended use of a CDU in the Probes feed. Where a cross-over pair of points are used, three
studs are employed - one in each route. The two straight ahead route studs are wired together, so touching either one will power the two point
motors of the cross-over 'Normal' (straight through running). The actual studs can be commercially available items or simply M2 or M3 round
headed machine screws of suitable length, with a washer and nut fitted underneath. The wires to the motors coils are then either soldered to
the stud or held in place by being sandwiched between a further pair of washers and a locking nut.
Momentarily touching the probes live end onto the appropriate stud supplies the power to that motors coil
RETURN CONNECTIONS In the two drawings below, examples of point motors return wiring are shown, the upper drawing shows terminal blocks being used to allow individual motor return wires to connect together along a common return bus wire. In the lower drawing a common return bus wire is shown with each motors return wire connection being a twisted and soldered joint onto the bus wire. I would recommend where the common bus wire method is used to increase the wire size used for the bus. 32/0.2mm should be ideal or a solid copper wire such as 1.0mm2 or 1.5mm2 removed from former mains cable. Note: While Hornby R044 black point levers (passing contact lever switches) are shown, the principle applies to all types of point operation switches.
Peco, Hornby and Gaugemaster have surface mounting point motors which resembles to some degree a real point motor. This motor comes supplied with three coloured lengths of wire attached. On the Peco PL11 and Gaugemaster GM20 the wiring colours are Red operation one way, Black operation to the opposite way and Green is the return wire. Below is show a PL11 wired to a passing contact switch, i.e. Hornby R044, Peco PL26 or a sprung to centre SPDT toggle switch and also shown is the alternative to these via a the use of momentary push to make (non locking) push buttons. Note: Wiring colours shown for wires may differ by each point motor manufacturer.
The basic wiring for multiple point motors and their switching is shown below. While five motors are drawn they are operated by four switches, more switches and motors can be added. Note the use of a CDU to enable better point operating performance. Where two motors are required to operate together e.g. a cross-over pair of points, then the two motors are be connected together and worked by one switch or lever as shown with the left-hand pair of motors. Note: Wiring colours shown for wires may differ by each point motor manufacturer.
Stall Motors can be wired from either a 12 volt or a low voltage regulated dc supply or alternatively from a 14 to 16 volt or less ac supply.
They work, unlike solenoid motors, by continuous power being fed to their internal electric motors. Once the motor has moved over the motor
continues to draw a small current (typically no more than 15 milliamps) from the supply, this is known as the 'Stall Current' and this stall
current holds the point motor over in the position selected. Note that this style of motor uses a panel switch to operate its motor that is always
'On' e.g. SPDT or DPDT On-On toggle switches as these provide the required continuous supply to the motor. Ideally regulated 12 volts dc or
even a little less voltage (down to around 9v) is used as this allows the motor to slowly move over and back both more quietly and more
prototypically too. They cannot be used directly from an ac power source, hence the two diodes fitted into the ac operation circuit below.
Note the drawings below refer to the Tortoise make of motor. If using the DCC Concepts Analogue ip motor then the connections are to pins 1
& 2 on each motor not 1 & 8 as shown for the Tortoise.
So for dc power use DPDT switches and for ac power supplies use the two diodes and SPDT switches.
Below are two simple methods of wiring Stall type Motor Points
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Insulated Frog point problems and cures.....
1) Insulated frogs, while providing the simplest of layout wiring, can lead to poor running as the locos pass over the frog. This often results in
stuttering or a complete stall due to the locos wheels loosing electrical power while on the frog. If slow speed running is a key requirement
(such as when shunting in sidings etc) I would recommend replacing insulated frog point/s with live frog (Electrofrog) versions.
2) Short circuits caused by the metal wheels touching both rails at the frog. This is much more common on DCC fed layouts as both rails are
permanently powered. This can cause the main control unit to detect the short and trip out. The problem of shorting is easily overcome by
fitting two insulated rail joiners after the frog and for DCC layouts running in two linking wires from the two rails after the joiners and
connecting them to there respective outer rails as shown in the diagram below. For DC layouts new feeds will be needed after the insulated
joiners from the control panel and possibly via section switches.....
3) On DCC layouts, even if short circuits are not a problem, after the frog on any insulated frog point you should still install the two linking
wires as mentioned in 2) above. These will ensure all tracks leading away from the point are then live and DCC loco's etc can then be shunted
on a siding which has a point set against it, or smoke units, and any onboard lighting will remain on if wished. Alternatively, after the IRJs
connect both Vee rails back to the DCC bus.
Below are shown three of the most simplest forms of electric point controls using a Passing Contact lever such as the Hornby R044 Black lever or the Peco PL26.
The use of Tortoise, Fulgarex or similar slow acting motor is another option and these don't require Probes and Studs, but do need switches that keep the motors power supply on all the time they are moving and normally continuously too once the move is completed i.e. they are Stall motors. No CDU is needed with these types either, they operate directly from a power supply, nominally 12volts dc See 'Stall Motors' below.
Route setting by use of a diode matrix is another option, but remember that for each diode 0.7v is lost in volt drop! So your input voltage needs to be higher than the normal 16v often used. I prefer to 'route set' on the mimic control panel by actually following a route along its path and setting points as I pass each stud or switch.
The wire used to connect the power supply to the CDU, then the CDU to the point switches and on to the motor coils and of course the return wire needs careful consideration, as to its overall length of wire run and the size of wire to be used. I recommend the minimum wire size to be 16/0.2mm for all connections. Any long wire runs of say over 7 mtrs in one wire then increase the size to 24/0.2mm. Also use 24/0.2mm wire where two or more motors are connected together for simultaneous operation or where a common return wiring system is used. A fact often overlooked is that each solenoid coil has a nominal resistance of around 3.5 to 4.0 OHMS and at 16 volts the current flowing is around 4.0 Amps (V/R). This is a heavy, but instantaneous load on the wiring.
There are several other methods to operate solenoid point motors electrically than using the Stud and Probe or dedicated point lever switches. Push buttons of the 'push to make non locking' type are available quite cheaply and also Sub Miniature spring toggle switches of either the Double Pole Double Throw (DPDT) centre off type or Single Pole Double Throw (SPDT) sprung to centre off can be used. I personally dislike push buttons such as the 'low cost Red or Black low cost Push button as they often ultimately tend to suffer with burnt-out contacts, however 'contact burn' isn't such an issue where a CDU is used. The sprung to centre off toggle switch is ideal, it can be a quite cost effective means of switching points, especially when used on a mimic control panel- but watch out for any that may stick over one way and not return to the centre off position, as these will cause the CDU to remain discharged and prevent all other point operation requests occurring until the failed switch is restored back to its central off position, but the use of the CDU prevents coil burn out motor failure.
The drawings below show very simple arrangements of one point motor and either a passing contact lever, Stud and Probe or a switch - sprung to central off, and a CDU all powered from a 16v to 24v ac transformer. You will of course need to operate more than one point on a layout and all that happens is more studs or switches, Red & Green wires plus a return wire are installed. Touching the relevant stud with the probe allows the CDU to fire a 'one shot' discharge current through the appropriate stud and wiring and out onto the motors coil winding, or if using switches the momentarily closing of the switches contact operates the circuit. However, only passing contact, momentary or sprung loaded centre off switches must be used, otherwise the motors coil would receive full power continuously and quickly burn out, though a CDU will help to prevent this happening. When two or more sets of points are need to be operated at once, as is the case in a cross-over pair of points, then simply wire one motor onto the other, ensuring the electrical path for the two point motors direction is correctly orientated and wired on both point motors. Most CDUs can operate up to three or four motors simultaneously and those sold as "Heavy Duty" often can throw up to six or seven motors at once. Though I wouldn't like to do this, as quite high currents will start to be needed and the wiring probably will not allow such to occur (volt drop and current limitations). Anyway, why should there be any need for seven points all to operate at once? It's better to re design the circuitry and allow only two or three to operate simultaneously.
For improved solenoid motor performance consider installing a Capacitor Discharge Unit. One Capacitor Discharge Unit (CDU) is normally used to feed the whole layouts point motors and this provides that extra pulse of power to move the solenoid motor, these are wired directly across the 16 to 24 volt point power supply transformers output. I prefer the use of 24 volt a.c. for point operation via a CDU, but there’s no reason why the 16 volt a.c. supply or any voltage ac or dc between 12 and 24volts couldn’t be used equally as well. Using a CDU reduces the current drawn from the transformer and also protects the solenoid motor/s coils from any possible continuous powering which can rapidly lead to motor coil burn out. So, I advocate always investing in a CDU, they actually cost little more than two new solenoid motors! They should be available from all good model railway shops or you can if wished make your own. Users of Hornby R044 black point levers please see notes later on re their incomparability with a CDU.
The next item to consider is how these will operate and the wiring needed. I opted originally for stud and probe point control via my layouts mimic control panel, but I have since changed to sprung to centre off position toggle switches (On)-Off-(On) type. But there are several other methods of switching the point motor feed - Hornby R044 black lever switch or the excellent Peco PL26 are both passing contact levers and are just two of those readily available. Equally press to make non locking push button can be used, then two per point are needed.
Similarly point motor wiring can be switched via Sprung to centre off toggle switches, Studs and Probe, or push to make non locking push buttons. Two the these are shown below. Note: Wiring colours shown for wires may differ by each point motor manufacturer.